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Interfaith dialogue: in whose interest? - I 
B R Haran
18 Jun 2009

“Interfaith Dialogue” refers to interaction between two or more religious traditions, at both individual and institutional levels, leading to understanding of values and respecting them, resulting in prevalence of communal amity. 
 

The compulsion to participate in interfaith dialogues arises due to two reasons. First, when the ‘state’ fails to take care of the majority community and panders to the minority communities; second,  when the minority communities, emboldened by the state’s pandering, go overboard and interfere with the cultural customs and religious practices of the majority community, resulting in conflict and disorder. 
 

Hindu Dharma and secularism
 

Hindus have co-existed with other indigenous creeds (Buddhists, Jains, Sikhs and others) without problems for ages, and the peace and harmony prevailing in this great Hindu land was affected only with the advent of Abrahamic faiths, mainly Islam and Christianity, which oppressed the Hindu majority in various ways.
 

Despite being at the receiving end for several hundred years, the Hindu majority was magnanimous at the time of independence and addressed minorities with concern while framing the Constitution, and ensured their safety, security and religious freedom. India  even refrained from enacting a ‘Common Civil Code.’ The Hindu majority never treated Christians and Muslims as descendents of ‘invaders,’ but as fellow citizens.


Sanatana Dharma has been the character and culture of this great nation. Hindu culture treats the world as a divine family - Vasudaiva Kutumbakam - and welcomes outsiders as aspects of divinity - Atithi Devo Bhava!
 

Such exalted concepts make words like ‘secularism’ hollow and redundant in the Hindu ethos. Monotheistic religions have no space for non-believers (in Allah or Mohammed or Yahweh or Jesus). Christianity introduced the concept of secularism in western society in order to end sectarian fratricide; as Hindus have no concept or tradition of such murderous sectarianism, secularism in India can at best be a quality of administration by the state.
 

But the post-independence state has failed to understand this imported notion of secularism, and hence, far from steering clear of all religion, successive governments have failed even to treat all religions equally.


The privileged minorities
 

Minorities have been given extra privileges by an extra-solicitous Constituent Assembly. Beginning with Article 14, up to Article 30, they have been granted many freedoms, with the Hindu majority getting a raw deal. This has emboldened the minorities to provoke, hurt and disrespect the Hindu majority, while working to achieve their religious objectives. This has naturally resulted in repeated conflicts. 
 

India has undergone major demographic changes in the 60 years since independence; the ineptness of Congress and other political parties has lost Hindu bhoomi in many states to minorities. All political parties have failed the Hindus, and particularly after the arrival of the foreigner-led UPA at the centre, a Christian agenda is being silently achieved to the detriment of this Hindu nation. Simultaneously, Muslim fundamentalists are being encouraged to wage war (jihad) against the nation. 
 

India  lost huge territory when Pakistan was born, along with the current Bangladesh. Since then, the north-east has been Christianised; Kashmir is in trouble; so is Goa; 50% of Kerala is lost to minorities; large parts of Maharashtra, Bihar and Uttar Pradesh have become Islamic; a large portion of Karnataka, Andhra and Tamil Nadu have become Christianised.


Churches and missionaries of all denominations have become the second largest land owners in the country - next only to the government - and have been building churches and prayer houses anywhere and everywhere, totally disproportionate to their flock. A similar mushrooming of mosques disproportionate to Muslim population is also cause for concern.
 

History shows that both Islam and Christianity have been more ‘political’ in nature rather than ‘spiritual;’ they have spread worldwide through invasions and persecutions. India has borne the brunt of both Islam and Christianity through jihad and conversions respectively. Both religions have been successful, thanks to an inept political class and immature people who get carried away by ‘secular’ machinations of the political class and the Machiavellian agenda of the clergy of the Abrahamic faiths. 
 

The unholy nexus between pseudo-secular politicians and minority community leaders, aided and abetted by foreign-funded media houses, has caused immense damage to the character of this Hindu nation. When things go beyond tolerance, the majority reacts spontaneously, as happened in Gujarat, Orissa, Karnataka and Jammu (Amarnath). After such reactions, the Hindu majority reverts to its usual tolerant self, hoping that the minority with which conflict took place would also settle down, but the ‘Marxist-media-minority’ nexus plays ugly ‘victimhood’ games in the international arena, bringing disrepute to the country. 
 

In between, minority community leaders organize so-called interfaith dialogues to create a false picture of reconciliation, and successfully complete the exercise by forcing their pre-conceived ‘resolutions’ on the few ‘secularised’ Hindu leaders, using jugglery of words and making them sign a declaration accepting resolutions advantageous to minorities only. 
 

Roman Catholics vs. other denominations
 

The Vatican is very clever in conducting such farcical exercises. The prime objective of the Vatican is Christianisation of the whole world. The same was pronounced by Pope John Paul II when he gave a “catholic” call for evangelization of Asia, particularly India, during his visit to the country in November 1999. He had the audacity to give such a call standing on Indian soil, that too, as India’s state guest! The Vatican has a history of achieving its objectives by creating divisions among local people leading to conflicts, and later through a healing touch by rehabilitation, education and healthcare. 
 

While other Christian denominations are aggressive and overt in their evangelical activities, Roman Catholics are covert and subtle. The Catholic leadership doesn’t restrain the other denominations from indulging in aggressive evangelization, purely for the reason that this differentiation helps them to create concepts like “ethical” and “unethical” conversions, or “forced” and “unforced” (voluntary) conversions. 
 

The Catholic leadership always blames other denominations for “unethical” and “forced” conversions during these so-called interfaith dialogues, in order to convince leaders of other faiths to accept the dangerous concept of “ethical” conversions. It achieved success in one such farcical dialogue at the Vatican in May 2006, where leaders whose names have not been made public in India, went ahead and signed a declaration accepting the resolutions prepared by the Vatican and the World Council of Churches!


There is another motive behind the Vatican’s interfaith dialogues. That is to indirectly put pressure and restrictions on other denominations which poach its targetted community for harvesting.
 

In this fight for “harvest” between various denominations, one question arises - what is the need for Hindus to agree for such dialogues and why should they participate? Hindus don’t indulge in blasphemy of other faiths, gods, and scriptures; they don’t indulge in conversion activities; they don’t interfere in other religious traditions; they don’t meddle with other faiths. On the contrary, Hindus have been amicable to others and they have been tolerating the propaganda (however provocative) of other religions. 
 

Dhimmitude and disunity
 

How are they reciprocated? By hacking bodies (jihad) and harvesting souls (conversions)! Much of the so-called tolerance is simply dhimmitude, the result of being beaten up or beaten down for ages. Dhimmitude resulted from Nehruvian secularism and impacted Hindus so much that they cannot see the monster standing gleefully before their eyes; they are still in deep slumber.
 

Some religious leaders are averse to identifying themselves and their ‘teachings’ as ‘Hindu;’ they are more interested in marketing their wares in a global market, than in spreading dharma among the masses in the remotest hamlets. Some Hindu leaders are so magnanimous (naïve?) that they preach “all faiths are the same”! Faiths and custom-oriented traditional mathams have lost out to personality-oriented and business-oriented ‘cults.’
 
(To be continued…)
The author is a senior journalist; he lives in Chennai 

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  User Comments:
 
  Accurate Analysis. Since Hindus per se never constitute a solid vote bank, the minority communities are constantly cultivated & perpetually pandered for political slice. The pro-minority media promotes this balefully as if they are perennially persecuted. Where as the truth is just the opposite. The so called interfaith dialogue is just a facade to legitimise conversion of Hindus in India. Secularism - Neheruvian or in whatever form - is the nemesis of our country. Its just a trap to de-root everything that is associated with our glorious culture. Hindus must realise this menace and declare war on these masquerading marauders.  
  Kuna Mohanty  
  18 Jun 2009  
   
 
  Time and again it is written that when Pope John Paul II visited India in Nov,1999, he gave a call for evangelization of Asia, particularly India. What were the authorities doing when this fellow made the so-called 'audacious' call? Why wasn't he told to leave the country forthwith? Why wasn't he declared persona non grata?  
  Ramesh  
  18 Jun 2009  
   
 
  Kindly add West Bengal to the list of states getting Islamised fast.; Also mention the role of the Jihad-friendly "secular" Buddhijibis  
  SMukerji  
  18 Jun 2009  
   
 
  Christianisation of asian societies are much more complex than what meets the eye.The christians through our Education system has created Hindus , Buddhist etc with a western mindset that is been used against the indegenous populations. Conversion is only a part of the program. The objective of the effort is best expressed By Jomo Kenyatta the late Kenyan Leader . He said 'when the white man came he had the bible we had the land then he said let us close our eyes and pray. When we opened our eyes he had the land & we had the bible'. In the present context this is neo colonialism.  
  jan  
  18 Jun 2009  
   
 
  There are no grounds for dialogue with the Catholic Church or any other Christian denomination operating in India, so long as they have missionaries in the field collecting Hindu souls, killing Hindu sadhus (this writer has also been threatened with dire consequences by an emissary of Fr. Bede Griffiths after "Catholic Ashrams" was published), and abusing Hindu scriptures, images. symbols, sacred places, cultural icons like Tiruvalluvar, and Indian history in general (which does not include the unedifying fable of St. Thomas). No self respecting nation state will dialogue with another state that is attacking it either overtly or covertly. The exception to this universal rule is India who dialogues with Pakistan even as Pakistan is the willing platform for every terrorist attack on India, and Hindu leaders who are so lacking in self respect and a Hindu religious self-consciousness that they will talk to any Vatican official who offers them an air ticket and throws them a crumb. The exception to this sorry state of Hindu affairs, is the Kanchi Acharya who recently met the Pope's representative and demanded an unconditional cease-fire from the Christian side if dialogue was to continue. No more conversions, no more abuse and misuse of Hindu scriptures, symbols and sacred places, etc. For the first time in recent history, a Hindu leader has met a Vatican representative on equal terms with a positive, uncompromising agenda. At the next meeting, if one should ever take place, the Hindu representative may consider making another request of the Pope's agent. He may request an unconditional apology for all the crimes committed by the Church in India in the last 400 years. These crimes are quite considerable. More important, the Indian Church cannot distance itself from those crimes committed during colonial times (such as the Goa Inquisition) when similar crimes are being perpetrated today by Indian Christians on their Hindu neighbors. Missionary zeal is no different today than in the Portuguese period except that money plays a bigger role in converting the poor and ignorant than do Christian armies. We suggest that at a future dialogue meeting between Hindus and Christians, Dr. Koenraad Elst's guidelines for dialogue may be considered: 1. an honest accounting of the calumnies which the Church has heaped on India and Hinduism; 2. informing Indian Christians and non-Christians about the findings of Bible scholarship; 3. informing them about the impact of scientific progress on Church doctrine; 4. acceptance that reality is multi-layered and that there are many ways of perceiving it; 5. bringing the zeal for conversion in line with the recent declarations that salvation is possible through other religions as well. With reference to # 5, there is no ground whatsoever for the religious conversion of Indians to Christianity or Islam within the Indian context. Full stop. But we should not fool ourselves: conversion will not stop in India because of an agreement between religious leaders even if the agreement was sincere (which it will not be on the Christian side). Conversion can only be controlled if it is made illegal in law, and this does not seem possible in the present Indian political and secular academic environment.  
  SDS  
  18 Jun 2009  
   
 
  What sort of talk with these so called Chrstian and Jehadi vulture. They never understand the value of spirituality. Otherwise why they killed Swami Laxmananada, Mauni Baba, Kalita from Tripura. Did you find any news in the national tv chanels.But certainly you will find when Rakhi Sawant will get married and about shainey Ahuja episode. But sorry to point out we helpless hindus watching all sort of things.There shhould not any talk at all with these conversion vulture.This is uter nonsence and nothing else.These missionaores should get out from India and stop there nefarious act our against hinduiesmThen .....  
  mohan  
  19 Jun 2009  
   
 
  Haranaji's article in good but flawed. Sooner than later, we will have to learn that have PROPER understanding of teachings like "Vasudaiva Kutumbakam" etc. This does not mean that we give away any thing to others, without discrimination. In Mahàbhàrata Krishna told to kill even elders also. Our leaders were Westernised and misguided; and they mislead the masses. It was a blunder to give away the land to Muslims at the time British left; and that also became Pàpistàn - land for the Muslims! Even Haranajï is wrong in expressing that we are tolerant people. We have been foolish for 1000+ years and high time we wake up from mis-interpreting these quotes like "Atithi Devo Bhava". The Muslims and Christians are not "Atithi'. They are the invaders and robers. We need more BUDDHI, VIRYA & VIVEKA Namaskàra  
  Govinda  
  19 Jun 2009  
   

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