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Michael Witzel: rattled rat at IIC 
Bhagwan Singh
22 Jul 2009

I was really sorry for Prof. Michael Witzel. After all, he was our honoured guest! Dr. Singh should not have pounced on him so mercilessly, playing the cat and the rat game – the cat looking ascetically resigned tossing the rat, the rat pretending to be dead, breathlessly looking from the corner of his eye to judge the cat’s next move, running for his life, only to be pounced upon and tossed up again. The Chair kept smiling all through at this plight of the powerful brainy Harvard Professor of Sanskrit!


Frankly, I enjoyed the wild play. Prof. Witzel was in a state of trauma: nervous, edgy, twitching his lips, dropping his eyelids recurrently, looking askance to avoid his interlocutor, constantly using his hanky to rub his nose, murmuring something inaudible to explain his errors, occasionally seeking help from his votaries who were present in good number, but more ignorant than their demi-god, and hence themselves dazed. Singh smiled all the way, his smile mischievous, eyes sadistically aglitter, untrue to his true nature, but true to the occasion. 
 

Rgveda


The occasion was a lecture on the Rgveda by Prof. Michael Witzel, at the India International Centre, on 10 July 2009. Presided over by Dr. Kapila Vatsyayan, it was attended by scholars of different hues and expectations. No one suspected that Witzel with his claim to be a ranking Vedic scholar knew so little that he could not answer a single query. Indeed, he appeared blank as far as the Rgveda was concerned. He rose nervously to speak on the Veda, but actually spoke on the Aryan migration from Afghanistan to Punjab!


The lecture merely reiterated what Prof. Witzel has written years ago: that north-western India was populated by Munda speaking people when Indo-Aryan speakers arrived on the scene. Old Indo-Aryan was influenced by the substrate Proto-Munda. He proposed a time bracket of 1500-1250 BC for composition of the Rgveda and suggested Book IV and Book VI were the oldest, advantage Book IV.


Witzel painted Rgvedic society as nomadic pastoralist, illiterate and with little interest in agriculture and sedentary life. There was virtually nothing in his speech that was not lifted from nineteenth century archives. He showed no awareness of recent researches in archaeology, anthropology, literature or historical linguistics, and presented even Kuiper with his pathological distortions.


Many archaeologists and professors of history attended the lecture, including your writer, Vedic scholar Bhagwan Singh. When the floor was thrown open for discussions, Bhagwan Singh introduced himself as the author of The Vedic Harappans, and said that his data contradicted each and every statement made by Witzel; he sought permission to exchange notes on a few issues. With the Chair’s permission, Singh said:


- You have reordered the Rgvedic strata, rating IV and VI to be the oldest and the rest belonging to intermediate and late stages. I have no objection to your sequence, but find your chronology miserably on the lower side. There is a reference to white pottery in one verse in Book IV (4.27.5). White pottery is a distinctive feature of Hakra Ware dated to 3000 BC. This goes against your dating of 1500-1250 BC for the Rgveda.


Witzel was dumbstruck. He murmured something inaudible, avoiding the audience, looking sideways. He tried to explain that the sequence arranged by him was based on the number of verses in a book, the smallest being the oldest. It caused Kapila ji and others to smile openly. I could not make out the reason and reminded him that Book IV is shorter than Book VI; but the shortest book is Book II! So here again, he was caught on the wrong foot.


He hesitantly managed, “There is no evidence of chariot or horse in India earlier than the mid-second millennium.”


- But Professor, the asva in Rgveda, whatever could it have been, was brought from sea bound areas, even the asva in the horse sacrifice, mentioned in Book I, hymn 163.


Prof. Witzel had no choice but to bite his lips in desperation.


- You say that the wheel and chariot were invented by Aryans when they were in Central Asia, but in the Book IV itself, Bhr.gus are given the credit for manufacturing wheels (4.16.20). Chariot and wheel was therefore not Aryan, but a Dravidian invention.


Witzel pretended that the inventors might have been Aryans and manufacturers Dravidians! He now forgot the antiquity of Book IV, which according to his suggestion, could have been written in Central Asia, older even than Book VI, composed entirely in Northern Afghanistan; Dravidian speakers must have been there as well.


- You talk of substrate effect of Proto-Munda and suggest no role of Proto-Dravidian at the early stage. But Kipper had concluded that three ethnic groups participated in a cultural process. The three are conspicuously present in the Rgveda, Bhr.gus Dravidian, Angirasas Mundari, besides the Sanskrit speakers.


Prof. Witzel mumbled something for a minute; his nervousness was apparent in his evasive gestures.


Kapila ji must have taken pity at his visible discomfort. She invited others to raise doubts, if they had any. Someone at the extreme end of the hall asked a question on the distorted reading of the Sankhyayan Srautasutra, which had exposed his culpability half a decade back. Witzel responded by referring to an article written by him, without telling us what his defence was!


After a few worthless queries, the debate shrunk back to Michael Witzel, Kapila Vatsyayan, and Bhagwan Singh.


- The problem with you, Professor, is that you are not familiar with the content of Book IV even. Hymn 57 of Book IV gives a graphic depiction of advanced agriculture, with a plough almost similar to the one that was common in India up to the mid-twentieth century, drawn by a pair of bullocks and driven by a ploughman in service. And in one of the Rics, the poet talks of milking the earth as a cow, year after year. It testifies to advanced agricultural activities with sedentary population and belies the myth of nomadism, pastoralism, and barbarity.


The Chair could not hold her laughter; Witzel shook in dismay.


The last nail was hammered by Kapila ji herself. In a jocular vein, she said, “The theme of the lecture was Rgveda. Vedic poetry is known for its sublimity and rare beauty. I expected Prof. Witzel to speak something on it, but he did not say even a word on the theme.”


Witzel agreed that the Hymns on Usa are really beautiful.


I interjected, “not only Usa Suktas professor, the entire Rgveda. Some of it could never be surpassed, such as the Nasdiya Sukta, with such expression as tama asit tamasa gulhmagre, darkness was entrapped within darkness


All in all, it was an interesting evening, if not for the presentation by Prof. Witzel, then for his discomfiture.


Prof. Bhagwan Singh is a Marxist scholar who accepted the archaeological evidence against the theory of Aryan invasion of India  

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  User Comments:
 
  Thank you. I have also posted, “Bhagwan Singh versus Michael Witzel” at http://ontogenyphylogenyepigenetcs.wordpress.com/2009/07/22/bhagwan-singh-versus-michael-witzel/ and many other links  
  Ved Prakash  
  22 Jul 2009  
   
 
  It is high time men like Michael realise that Indian cannot be taken for a ride - not fall for skin colour and think that what comes through is correct.He has the audacity to come to India to tell reach us the Rgveda. Playing cat and rat with him was not enough - the cat should have utltimately done the most natural thing with the rat - consume it! He has been going around the country spreading unsubstantiated theories of the Rgveda.  
  Hilda Raja  
  22 Jul 2009  
   
 
  Thank you Sandhya. Michael Witzel is a fraud, almost a creep. I don't blame Dr. Bhagwan Singh for his bluntspeak even if hurt Witzel. At heart Witzel remains a dyed-in-the-wool evangelist trying to run down the Indic civilization and promote Christianity by pouring scorn at Hindus.  
  R K Ohri  
  22 Jul 2009  
   
 
  Yes, indeed, Ohri ji. The creep is an evangelical agent. This has been proved in the california textbook CAPEEM trial. It is called the Harvard Donkey Trial since the Harvard guy claimed that the horse in ancient India was a donkey. Colorado evangelical church runs an outfit called "Dalit freedom network" to paint themselves as the savers of the souls of 'dalit' in Hindusthan. You dial DFN, the call ends up on Colorado.  
  Kalyanaraman  
  22 Jul 2009  
   
 
  How unfortunate that Prof Witzel comes to India so rarely. More frequent encounters with Indian vedic scholars could perhaps enable Sanskrit and Vedic scholars the world over form a better opinion about the true worth of the Harvard Professor.  
  J Sharma  
  22 Jul 2009  
   
 
  Oh my god that was hilarious. Another PHONY... Harvard... "academic". What a deep and high pile and tradition of academic liars.  
  LM  
  22 Jul 2009  
   
 
  Bhagwan Singh has taught a lesson not only to Witzel but also to the breed of "Indian Scholars", who have brought and entertained him here in self-interest. My hearty congratulations to Bhagwan Singh and Kapila Vatsyayana and many thanks to Sandhya Jain!  
  B R Haran  
  22 Jul 2009  
   
 
  Was Romila Thapar there? It is gratifying that a Marxist scholar has at last agreed that the Aryan Invasion Theory is flawed but my daughter still learns it at school and our government still felicitates those Marxists who still profess it to be a plausible theory!  
  Sujata Srinath  
  22 Jul 2009  
   
 
  There would be no Witzel at Sanskrit College, University of Madras or IIC if there wernt idiots who love to co-author books with foreigners, who want Harvard to publish their books, who want Rand to give them funds. Western academe has geo-politics as its core, not scholarship and we have the useful idiot Indians whose silence or complicity can be purchased for a price. Witzel appears on my face only because people like Iravatham Mahadevan and Pollachi Mahalingam put him there.  
  Radha Rajan  
  22 Jul 2009  
   
 
  Witzel is surviving, and somewhat flourishing by riding the horse named Anti-Hinduism, more than by his scholarship. Romila Thaper has done it before and got settled at highest peak. Like missionaries, these scholars have found survival skill in anti-Hinduism. They find enough JNUees, Marxists, Congresswalas, dalit groups, Hindu-hate-groups to spread their tenacles.  
  Dahyabhai  
  22 Jul 2009  
   
 
  Once the Primary data is in error ( about Rigveda, the date, the langauge, the construction assumptions and on the top of it the motives to discredit Bharat/Vedic Sanskrit traditions), the super construct of ' much of western writing on the strength of Prof.MW document also falls flat'! /// That means there is a lot of reconstruction-original work that needs to be done in exploring-researching Bharatiya langague and religious / scientific resources to restore the proper picture of Indian civilization. /// And this effort, again should not be another 'fragmented mandate by traditional /oriental / modern scholars (like the one given by Indian electorte) rehashing the indology-lingusitics of colonial model! that is worst form of 'Harakiri' that India may do for itself.  
  BVK Sastry  
  22 Jul 2009  
   
 
  Very well written article. And I salute each of the commenters here, who hit the nail on the head with their statements. I would like to point out a blog post I read some time back - http://www.sastwingees.org/2008/01/27/gond-australian-aborigine-connection/ which seems to suggest something on the lines of the Aryan Invasion Theory being true, and goes on to substantiate the claims.  
  Kaushik  
  23 Jul 2009  
   
 
  Snadhya ji, you have really done a good job. I promise to write now and then for your site. BS  
  Bhagwan Singh  
  23 Jul 2009  
   
 
  Indian culture i.e. of majority Hindus even after series of attacks by invaders is essentially vedic. Till mahabharat period vedas were taught by mantradrista rishis in Gurukuls, even Lord Krishna was a born siddha( a liberated soul who has achieved maoksha/realisation) still he studied in the ashram of Maharishi Sandipani.However, huge bloodshed in mahabharat war and public immersed in the sorrows forgot to send and contact learned Rishi munis staying in jungles and knowledge of vedas declined. I have started understanding vedas after the practice of astanga yoga and reading all the books written by siddha yogis ( a yogi who by the practice of astanga yoga has achieved nirvikalpa samadhi is called siddha yogi, siddha or jivan mukta). Problem with us is that we do not research our own culture and trust people from Harvards.However the write person to speak about vedas are yogis who have achieved nirvikalpa samadhi and who are mantra drista. The insight into vedas is directly realted to success in astanga yoga practice. Regarding Vedas Great Siddha yogi Nityananda of Ganeshpuri has said ,as recorded by his disciples in chidaksaha Gita : "What is visible is transient. It is perishable. When the mind is merged in "Bindu" and "Nada," Nirvikalpa Samadhi is attained. Our attention is then entirely towards Ananda (eternal joy). Fixing the attention between the eyebrows, the Prana should enter the holy Brahmarandhra. Here the light of lights becomes visible to the divine eye. This is Mukti. This is eternally supreme joy. This is the place where the Manas ought to dwell. This is the eternal being whence the Vedas have sprung. This is seeing Paramatman in all. This is the real place of Jivatman." Source - http://www.scribd.com/doc/14049950/ChidakashaGita-Teachings-of-Bhagavan-Nityananda Further Vedas - a divine light, part I, II, III and patanjali Yoga darshanam by Swami Ramswarup ji based on his experience of astanga yoga and his tapasya to reach the ultimate truth, has given me immense direction about india's eternal vedic cultural root - www.vedmandir.com I do not look towards now triple PHD's in Sanskrit from Harvard for Vedas, Gita and india's eternal knowledge, instead look up to my Guru and all our Siddha yogis to reach this wisdom which is spread east to west, kasmir to kanyakumari. Real person to talk about vedas are brahmins who have studied vedas traditinally and in addition have become mantradrista by achieving Nirvikalpa samadhi. Further this book Autibiography of Yogi by Paramhansa Yogananda, translated into 33 languages of world has shed all the myths about India. Problem is our school book does not reflect all the glories of culture and paint it as savage, dark and backward, but in reality as i have experienced it is a store house of wisdom. So we should remove all the dust lying on our culture.We should have asked witzel whether he has a samadhist Guru, achieved Nirvikalpa samadhi if no on his face we should have told soory you do not Know vedas, by knowing sanskrit it doesnot mean you know vedas, vedas are to be experienced. Indians Should read Nityananda Bhagwans book The Divine one n Chidaksha Gita, Biography of gajanan maharaj of shegaon, Sai baba, swami samaraths biography and books by swami ramswarup ji (website - www.vedmandir.com). Tomorrow people like witzel dare not spread prejudice about our eternal culture vedas, becos based on our knowledge we will debate with such ignomarus people.  
  Rashmi sahu  
  23 Jul 2009  
   
 
  I was present at the lecture and was amused to hear some old and discarded text-book material from the Harvard professor. Bhagwan Singh's questions to MW remained unanswered since the Professor could not find any answer. Kudos to Bhagwan Singh and to vijayvaani for informing those interested.  
  B.M.Pande  
  23 Jul 2009  
   
 
  I am glad MW was exposed at Delhi whereas he was shielded and protected in Chennai. He lives in the last century, pretending to be a great philologist and historian whereas he is supposed to have studied Sanskrit. Now even his knowledge of Sanskrit is exposed to be dubious.He has been pushed into India by people like N.Ram of The Hindu.  
  Giri  
  23 Jul 2009  
   
 
  The problem with Herr Prof. Witzel is that he is a contemporary version of an SS Schütze (broadly equivalent to our Sepoy / Aircraftsman). These chaps were the lowest echelons of that horrendous band of murderers and goons who actually carried out the massacres and then pleaded "Ein Befehl ist ein Befehl" ("A command is a command") or some such piffle. /// To know more about the principal contribution of Witzel’s fellow-Germans to world civilisation in the recent past, kindly read Harvard colleague Daniel Goldhagen's seminal book "Hitler's Willing Executioners". //// Witzel should crawl back underneath the woodwork and leave Indian civilisation to deserving scholars. I am dismayed that a university founded by an ex-Cambridge man should allow poseurs and frauds like Witzel to flourish and spread venom from its portals. He had his derrière whipped in the California text-book case.  
  Jay Bhattacharjee  
  24 Jul 2009  
   
 
  May be this import by the Nazi gang of India is like another 'professor' in the Dravidian party.  
  Ramesh  
  24 Jul 2009  
   
 
  Hare Krishna. I have posted this write up one website. I have visited India several times, but it is only in the last 15 yrs , I have been interested in Sanskrit literature and Indian holy places. Sanskrit is a language, which is difficult to translate unless you live through it , right from childhood. You have to bathe in it. Just getting a degree for graduation and then becoming an academic will not do. Probably there will be more conjectural academic hip shoot rather than insights into this language. Since it is improbable that a western homosapien has bathed himself in Sanskrit environment from childhood and then become an academic, their interpretations will receive criticism and it is perfectly justified. I do not claim to be a Sanskrit scholar, but slightly better than rudimentary. When ever I visit India , I always ask one question to people " Why don't you have a full fledged archeological study of all the monuments , holy places etc. I have seen in some holy sites, some multiple images, extremely old and ancient. There has been very low activity in scientific archeology in India. Very few monuments have been passed through the radar of modern equipment to ascertain what exactly they are, the age and the period. For example , is there any superimpostion of one over the other in bid to demolish, the exisiting structure? One has just to look at Egyptology and the large amount of work being done there. India stands very poorly in this area. Unless and until you have full proof of experimental archeological evidence, academics will have a gala time , pushing their theories for funding their fundamentals and not the universal one. I am not a believer in Darwinian evolution, but concrete experimental evidence fascinates me. There should be a systematic study of all monuments and heritage sights in India. Just testing my Sanskrit. Please correct me if I am wrong. In Ramayana , there is Sage Vishwamitra, which means . Friend of the Universe. One would like the esteemed Prof who has been subjected to criticism , to be Witz-mitra ( Friendly Witz) and not Witz-amitra ( Not Friendly Witz). This he can achieve only when he couples , studies with concrete scientific experimental arheological evidences of all the heritage, monuments and temples. I am sure truth will come out. If not keep on piling books , which will always meet with criticism, lie gathering dust in libraries and in netlingua , get buried in cyberspace.  
  Krishnadas  
  24 Jul 2009  
   
 
  Hearty congratulations to Prof. Bhagawan Singh for whipping Witzel. And congratulations to him for accepting evidence and historical truth -- being a marxist. I just think he should have tortured Witzel a more. Hope our guest was told before he left, in the Indian tradition -- "do come back again".  
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