Ignorant commentary
by Bhaskar Menon on 24 Apr 2014 10 Comments
The weekend issue of Business Standard has a column by one Arundhuti Dasgupta that is outright ignorant. It is a shaggy-dog take on alliances in the Mahabharata and the Odyssey, ostensibly to give perspective to the current Indian political scene. None of it makes any sense because her basic premises are wrong. For instance, she thinks the Pandavas had the upper hand going into the Kurukshetra war.


She does not seem to have noticed that the Mahabharata goes to great lengths to emphasize that the Pandavas are the underdogs. After 14 years of exile in deprivation and hardship they are powerless and willing to settle for just five villages of their usurped empire. The Kauravas not only had more allies and the larger army, they had the awesome Bhisma as commander-in-chief and the invincible Drona.


Perhaps nothing illustrates Dasgupta’s ignorance of the Mahabharata more than her take on Duryodhana’s elation at getting Krishna’s army while Arjuna gets Krishna as a non-combatant charioteer. “Without their commander the soldiers were not as effective; and Krishna provided a huge moral, tactical and psychological advantage even though he did not fight on the battlefield.” That is not the point!


Krishna is God. Duryodhana in his egoism does not see that all the armies in the world cannot help him if Krishna is guiding the other side. That blinding egoism defeats the Kauravas at every turn as they spiral down to defeat.


Further along in the column, Dasgupta writes: “Strategic relationships have been a critical aspect of the mythology of the subcontinent. Vishnu, for instance, who is part of the trinity and highest in the hierarchy of gods, rides on the Garuda (a mythical bird) and rests on the Ananta Nag (the world serpent). The two were strong animistic deities who were assimilated in the Vedic fold, albeit in positions lower than the main gods. Alliances with the tribal gods helped spread the Vedic way of life. They widened their influence.”


Was there no one at the Business Standard to ask Dasgupta if she has ever read the Vedas? If she had even skimmed through them, the idiocy of her statements would have been clear.


The Vedas are entirely a collection of tribal hymns (Rig), rituals (Yajur), songs (Sama) and magical spells (Atharva). There is no “Vedic fold” or “Vedic way of life,” separate from the tribal. The Vedas (literally, “Seen”), are the only holy books of Hinduism that are “sruti,” of divine origin and thus eternal. All else, including such revered books as the Bhagavad Gita, is “smriti,” the remembered works of human origin.


Why that difference? Because tribal lore is the “seen” reality of the universe dating to the very beginnings of the human race.


The hymns to Agni (the first deity invoked in the Rig Veda), Surya, Vayu, Indra the wielder of the thunderbolt, Varuna the upholder of law, and Yama the god of death, give voice to the most elemental poetic/religious experiences of homo sapiens.


Why were the Vedas compiled? Most probably to end inter-tribal conflict by creating a common source of veneration and allowing tribes to settle into interdependent castes. There is solid genetic evidence that each caste was once a tribe. The persons credited by tradition with putting the Vedas in order were the Saptarishis, the seven sages memorialized as the stars that point to the unmoving North Star.


Straddling the Sruti and Smriti canons is the Vedanta. That is the net wisdom of the Vedas extracted by the Upanishads (literally, “discussions”) organized by the rishis (literally, “seers”). The teachings of the Upanishads shaped the world view and the value-system we call Hinduism. Its key element is belief in a universal immanent Spirit that a devotee can approach in any form.


Upon that basic faith rests the view that all Creation is “God’s Family,” and that life and death are an infinite continuum through which individuals progress according to their observance of the Dharma (Eternal Law/Duty) and Karma (burden of moral causality).


Two wonderful epics, the Ramayana and Mahabharata, spread that grand perspective to every village in the country and far afield. Celebrated in music, song and dance, their stories told and retold in religious and secular drama, they shaped the customs, festivals and observances that have given us a common Indian culture and spirit.


The colonial British tried to fit the complexity of Hinduism into the Procrustean view of their own faith, itself the crippled child of a church created by the savage lust of Henry VIII. Not surprisingly, they could not comprehend it, and resorted to a number of self-aggrandizing theories, including the "Aryan invasion" and the Orientalist invention of Hinduism. 


Fortunately, the British are now long gone. Unfortunately, their confusions continue to haunt us through the works of Dasgupta and her ilk.

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Excellent!
Subodh
April 24, 2014
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/////"The Vedas are entirely a collection of tribal hymns (Rig), rituals (Yajur), songs (Sama) and magical spells (Atharva)."////

These lines tend to show that the society rose from ignorance to illumination. All our puranas unanimously declare that the society was created at its peak and dwindle as the yugas roll by.

By accepting that Vedas were tribal, we acknowledge the Christian concept of ignorance to emancipation.
Venkat
April 24, 2014
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Venkat's ignorance is bliss - where is it said that we moved from ignorance to emancipation - the Vedas are the epitome of enlightenment, since then we are struggling to understand the depth of their meaning
Nidhi
April 24, 2014
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@Venkat

On the contrary, the very same lines made me think that tribal societies must have been highly cultured and stable to have Rishis who composed such concepts into hymns. This fits in with the puranic version that Satya yuga, where goodness permeated 90% of the realm, was when these Rishis had maximum opportunity to compose such hymns on such universally profound concepts such as creation, dissolution, and meaning of life!

@ bhaskar menon
First of all, thank you for countering Arundhati Dasgupta's article. We need more such folks exposed for the insidious misinterpretations that they spread around that add to the confusion.

One question though: you say, "The persons credited by tradition with putting the Vedas in order were the Saptarishis, the seven sages memorialized as the stars that point to the unmoving North Star."

So where does Veda Vyasa fit in here? Isn't he the one who compiled the Vedas and categorized them into 4 - the Rig, Yajur, Sama, and Atharvana? Many of the Vedic hymns are authored by the Saptarishis...

Regards,
Sujata
Sujata Srinath
April 24, 2014
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May be we will have to set up country wide informal training centers to initiate young journos and other professionals in Hindu history and Hindu way of life.we are so ignorant!
Valmiki or Vyas can not be compared with Homer or his Iliad or Odyssey.They are different ,rooted in different milieu.
Present versions of Ramayana and Mahabharata are the result of the work of generations of Rishis,Saints and kathakaras who have turned the original versions in to traditions, unparalleled in human history.
Jitendra Desai
April 24, 2014
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@ Sujata Srinath,

Ved Vyasa [ meaning divider of Vedas] or Parashari Vyas or Krishna Dwaipayan Vyas occurs around the times of Mahabharat war,[ 3100bc?] ,the period associated with drying up of Vedic river Saraswati.Hindu historians date composition of earliest Vedic hymns to 6500 BC.Process went for at least 3000 years! Ved Vyasa appears as the last of those titans, who saw the need to streamline such a hoary orals tradition.Present versions of Vedas and Upanishads we see are the results of the gigantic editing efforts of one man [ and his disciples], hence we say VYSOCHHISTAM JAGAT SARVAM [ There is nothing that has not been touched by Vyas]
Incidentally this Vyasa is the son of a maiden! a young fisher woman!! - Entire Hindu society of those times accepted what this Vyasa told them about Vedas! So much for BSP's Manuvaadi rant in 21st century AD.
Jitendra Desai
April 24, 2014
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In answer to Sujata's question:

I think Veda Vyasa might have been the actual compiler of the Vedas. But before he could do so, there had to be agreement among the major tribes to go ahead with the peace process, and their rishis had to provide what they wanted included in the compilation.

I have yet to find a source that gives a definitive list of the seven rishis. Vyasa would certainly be on my list of the seven.

As for Venkat's contribution:

The progression is not up or down but cyclical. The end of the Kali Yuga takes us back again to the golden age.

Does that mean we separate again into tribes? No. I think we pass into the next evolutionary stage that Aurobindo foresaw, and regroup according to the imperatives of that stage of human evolution.
Bhaskar Menon
April 24, 2014
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In answer to Sujata's question:

I think Veda Vyasa might have been the actual compiler of the Vedas. But before he could do so, there had to be agreement among the major tribes to go ahead with the peace process, and their rishis had to provide what they wanted included in the compilation.

I have yet to find a source that gives a definitive list of the seven rishis. Vyasa would certainly be on my list of the seven.

As for Venkat's contribution:

The progression is not up or down but cyclical. The end of the Kali Yuga takes us back again to the golden age.

Does that mean we separate again into tribes? No. I think we pass into the next evolutionary stage that Aurobindo foresaw, and regroup according to the imperatives of that stage of human evolution.
Bhaskar Menon
April 24, 2014
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The sacred scriptures of the Monotheistic, Abrahamic religions have in present times, rigid interpretations and explanations, and prohibit any further questioning and thinking. This is their strength for it  bars all misinterpretation, intentionally or otherwise, even he misinterpretation of the misinterpreted!  But this strength is their greatest weakness for it is Dead Ignorance, that accepts with no understanding and consequently stagnates, putrifies and spews toxicity, with no opportunity given to the wise among them to make corrections.

On the other hand Sanathana Dharma has its scripture, the Veda, which is the TRUTH expressed as Sound. But the path recommended to every individual to reach and understand this Truth is that of Enquiry and Thought. This is its weakness, for the individual, as he progresses through answer after answer, will face multiple Truths, each valid or invalid at that moment, till the Ultimate and Only TRUTH is reached and understood. But this weakness is our greatest strength. For again and again, as forgetfulness clouds human understanding, monumental intelligences appear to brush aside the clouds and reveal the TRUTH.

Let us not despair. It is the Fundamental Nature of Creation, humans included, to continually strive towards the SATH. All else is just so much detritus.

Here is one translation of that portion of the Vishnu Purana that expands on the name/person Vyasa. Valid as it sounds, comforting as it sounds, is this ALL that it means???!!!


"The Vishnu Purana, translated by Horace Hayman Wilson, [1840], at sacred-texts.com

p. 272

CHAP. III.

Division of the Veda into four portions, by a Vyása, in every Dwápara age. List of the twenty-eight Vyásas of the present Manwantara. Meaning of the word Brahma.

MAITREYA.--I have learnt from you, in due order, how this world is Vishnu; how it is in Vishnu; how it is from Vishnu: nothing further is to be known: but I should desire to hear how the Vedas were divided, in different ages, by that great being, in the form of Veda-vyása? who were the Vyásas of their respective eras? and what were the branches into which the Vedas were distributed?

PARÁSARA.--The branches of the great tree of the Vedas are so numerous, Maitreya, that it is impossible to describe them at length. I will give you a summary account of them.

In every Dwápara (or third) age, Vishnu, in the person of Vyása, in order to promote the good of mankind, divides the Veda, which is properly but one, into many portions: observing the limited perseverance, energy, and application of mortals, he makes the Veda fourfold, to adapt it to their capacities; and the bodily form which he assumes, in order to effect that classification, is known by the name of Veda-vyása. Of the different Vyásas in the present Manwantara 1, and the branches which they have taught, you shall have an account.

Twenty-eight times have the Vedas been arranged by the great Rishis in the Vaivaswata Manwantara in the Dwápara age, and consequently eight and twenty Vyásas have passed away; by whom, in their respective periods, the Veda has been divided into four. In the first Dwápara age the distribution was made by Swayambhu (Brahmá) himself; in the second, the arranger of the Veda (Veda-vyása) was Prajápati (or Manu); in the third, Usanas; in the fourth, Vrihaspati; in the fifth, Savitri; in the sixth, Mrityu (Death, or Yama); in the seventh, Indra; in the eighth, Vasisht´ha; in the ninth, Sáraswata; in the tenth, Tridháman; in

p. 273

the eleventh, Trivrishan; in the twelfth, Bharadwája; in the thirteenth, Antaríksha; in the fourteenth, Vapra; in the fifteenth, Trayyáruna 2; in the sixteenth, Dhananjaya; in the seventeenth, Kritanjaya; in the eighteenth, Rina; in the nineteenth, Bharadwája; in the twentieth, Gotama; in the twenty-first, Uttama, also called Haryátmá; in the twenty-second, Vena, who is likewise named Rájasravas; in the twenty-third, Somasushmápana, also Trinavindu; in the twenty-fourth, Riksha, the descendant of Bhrigu, who is known also by the name Válmíki; in the twenty-fifth, my father Sakti was the Vyása; I was the Vyása of the twenty-sixth Dwápara, and was succeeded by Jaratkáru; the Vyása of the twenty-eighth, who followed him, was Krishna Dwaipáyana. These are the twenty-eight elder Vyásas, by whom, in the preceding Dwápara ages, the Veda has been divided into four. In the next Dwápara, Drauni (the son of Drona) will be the Vyása, when my son, the Muni Krishna Dwaipáyana, who is the actual Vyása, shall cease to be (in that character)  "
Chandra Ravikumar
April 25, 2014
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//////Does that mean we separate again into tribes? No. I think we pass into the next evolutionary stage that Aurobindo foresaw, and regroup according to the imperatives of that stage of human evolution.////

Bhaskar,

Yes, the progression is cyclical and it is well known to all of us. But the beginning is always the brightest and the end is the darkest. This was the jist of my comment. By acknowledging that the tribal societies created the Vedas, we endorse the western indologists who till date maintain that after all these were man made.

That will go against the argument in many puranas, darsanas and Gita that Vedas are eternal and are not man made (apaurusheyam). The (rishis) seers just got the Vedas revealed to them. That does not make them the authors.

I still feel I have not answered with the correct words or direction and feel perhaps someone who has learnt the Vedas in the traditional manner will be able to elucidate this point better.
venkat
April 25, 2014
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